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• I compared BLTs from Subway, Jimmy John’s, and Jersey Mike’s to find the best sandwich.
• Jimmy John’s sandwich had a bit too much bacon flavor, and Subway’s was OK.
• Jersey Mike’s BLT was so tasty and balanced; I could see myself ordering it again and again.

The bacon, lettuce, and tomato sandwich, or “BLT,” has been a worldwide favorite for over a century, with its simplicity key to its charm.

After all, a true BLT consists of just the ingredients listed in its name between two slices of bread with a slather of mayonnaise.

I’ve been a huge fan of the BLT for many years, so I set out with alacrity to find the best one at popular sandwich chains in the US.

At each stop, in an effort to try the most default BLT, I gave no instructions beyond size preference when ordering and made no customizations.

Here’s how the BLTs from Subway, Jersey Mike’s, and Jimmy John’s stacked up — and which left me the most impressed.

My Subway sandwich felt like a solid deal.

At Subway, I could choose between ordering a footlong BLT for $12.99 or a 6-inch for only $3.99 from the chain’s Deli Faves value menu.

I went with the latter, which seemed like too good a deal to pass up.

The sandwich came on Italian bread, which was toasted open-faced with the bacon on top of it. After, the Subway staffer added lettuce, tomato, and mayonnaise.

Subway’s BLT tasted fresh, but there was way too little bacon.

Once I got home and unwrapped the BLT, the sandwich looked light on bacon and a bit heavy on mayo.

A hearty bite of Subway’s BLT confirmed my suspicion: It was very light on the “B.” It appeared to have about four strips of bacon, and though they were stacked closer together on the small piece of bread, it didn’t feel substantial enough.

The bacon pieces themselves were a bit too thin, but tender without being soft; their consistency was welcome.

Beyond that, the lettuce had a good crunch, the tomato seemed fresh, and there wasn’t actually a glut of mayo as I’d figured on visual inspection.

This would have been a well-balanced sandwich if only there had been twice or even three times as much bacon. As it was, the bacon mostly just added a salty flavor to the sandwich rather than playing the main role in it, which is the hope for a good BLT.

Overall, at a $3.99 value price, Subway’s BLT was worth the money but hardly worth further commentary.

After trying this, the footlong’s $12.99 price also feels hard to justify. I still doubt that having double the bacon (spread over more bread) would be enough to properly balance out this BLT.

Jimmy John’s BLT also had toasted bread and bacon.

At Jimmy John’s, I ordered the smallest BLT I could, which came on an 8-inch “regular” French bread.

The sandwich cost $8.99, which was fair but hardly a deal. My other option was ordering the 16-inch “giant” sandwich for $17.49, but it felt like far too much.

In this case, again, the staffer toasted the bread and bacon, then added the other toppings and mayo.

The bacon flavor was on full display in this BLT.

Jimmy John’s BLT had plenty of bacon — I’d say six slices encircled the lettuce and tomato. The meat was a bit crispier here than at Subway, but not crunchy.

I’m a huge fan of bacon, so you might think the bacon-forward flavor profile of Jimmy John’s BLT was a good thing. I wouldn’t go that far, though I don’t think it was a bad thing.

I was mostly left wishing the sandwich were more balanced. The dominant salty, savory bacon taste made it difficult for me to detect flavors from other ingredients. Also, the lettuce wasn’t as crisp as I’d like.

I usually love Jimmy John’s doughy, delicious, and famously fresh-baked bread. However, toasting detracted from its appeal.

I’m also used to the chain’s “regular” sandwiches feeling substantial enough that I often save a few bites for a post-lunch snack. This time, that wasn’t the case. The slender BLT felt light in my hand, and I didn’t have leftovers.

I’d order this sandwich again, but only if I wasn’t incredibly hungry.

My Jersey Mike’s BLT was the first and only one not toasted.

Jersey Mike’s is famous for its freshly sliced deli meats, so it felt strange ordering a sandwich that didn’t include any. This BLT is also the only one on this list that was prepped and served cold.

With no fresh slicing or toasting required, my sandwich was ready incredibly quickly. There was about 30 seconds between when I said “I’ll have a BLT, please” and my finished sandwich being wrapped and deftly slipped into a to-go bag.

The sandwich was available in a “mini” size (about 5 inches) for about $7.25, a “regular” size (about 7 inches) for $9.75, and a “giant” sub (about 14 inches) for $17.65.

I went with the “regular” for $9.75, which felt like a solid value without getting way too much sandwich.

Ultimately, I left impressed by how fast I was in and out of the store and the decent heft of my sandwich in the to-go bag.

Jersey Mike’s BLT hit all the right notes for this classic sandwich.

After one big bite, the competition was over: Jersey Mike’s made the best BLT of the lot, hands down.

This sandwich was large and satisfying, with a pile of shredded lettuce, thickly sliced tomatoes, and plenty of bacon layered on fresh-tasting, soft bread.

There was a generous slathering of mayo, but not so much that it dominated (or dripped), and that bread was thick but pillowy, allowing for hearty bites.

The bacon from Jersey Mike’s was cooked to the point of being crispy, almost crunchy. This isn’t my favorite take on bacon, but I know it’s a popular preference that will surely please many people.

And regardless, the amount of meat felt fairly generous — I counted about six slices — and it felt well-proportioned to the other ingredients.

Price-wise, Subway seemed to offer the most value.

After rough calculations, Subway had the lowest price-per-inch across the board for both the value-sized 6-inch BLT and the footlong.

This doesn’t factor in how well each sandwich was loaded, though, and value doesn’t always just come down to cents. None of the estimated per-inch price differences felt significant enough for me to declare Subway my winner.

It’s also worth pointing out that many of these chains regularly offer meal bundles, rotating deals, and coupons that can help level the playing field.

In the end, Jersey Mike’s BLT remains my top pick.

Next time I stop at a Jersey Mike’s, you can count on the BLT being at the top of my list of likely orders. It’s also a sandwich I’m sure I’ll recommend to others in the future, too.

The two runners-up were still fine and worth trying, which is a testament to the overall excellence of the classic bacon, lettuce, and tomato sandwich.

If I find myself only a little hungry and in proximity to Subway or Jimmy John’s, I may well order another BLT — especially if the former still has it on its $3.99 Deli Faves value menu.

Otherwise, next time a BLT craving hits, you’ll find me at Jersey Mike’s.

• Katherine Howe is a 49-year-old author in Marblehead, Massachusetts.
• Howe bought a ticket to Scotland versus Morocco in Boston on StubHub.
• On Monday, four days before the game, she was informed that her ticket was no longer available.

This as-told-to essay is based on a conversation with Katherine Howe, a historian and novelist. It has been edited for length and clarity.

On Monday, I opened my emails to find that my ticket to the Scotland versus Morocco World Cup game was no longer available.

Getting this ticket was years in the making.

In 1994, I watched my first-ever World Cup game while living in Brazil. I was in a small, rural town with lots of local Brazilians watching on a small TV. Everyone went wild when Brazil actually won the entire tournament.

Like most Americans at the time, I wasn’t aware that the World Cup even existed, but I imbibed the excitement and passion for the tournament while in Brazil that year.

The World Cup is one of the few global phenomena. It breaks barriers — with everyone from all around the world getting involved. Even countries as small as Curaçao can take part.

Although I’m not a regular soccer fan, I became a World Cup fan in 1994. Four years later, I was in Paris when the World Cup was held there. It was the last year Scotland qualified for the World Cup before 2026. I have vivid memories of the streets of Paris being flooded with people in kilts, having the time of their lives.

I couldn’t afford to go to the matches, but again, I loved the togetherness and passion of the tournament.

Fast forward 28 years

I found out that the World Cup was happening in the United States earlier this year, something that hadn’t been on my radar previously.

I didn’t consider looking for tickets — unaware that games would be in Boston, only about an hour away from where I live in Massachusetts.

Last weekend, on Saturday, I was at the Boston train station when I suddenly saw all these men in kilts. It suddenly clicked — Scotland was playing Haiti in Boston later that day. It felt like I had been transported back to Paris 28 years ago, with Scottish accents and tartan surrounding me.

I immediately started searching for where they were playing next and where I could get a ticket.

The next game was on June 19 in Boston. I could do that date. I could do that time.

Rather naively (I’ve never been one to go to sports games or big concerts), I searched “tickets for Scotland versus Morocco,” and the first site that came up was StubHub.

I bought a $750 ticket

I found the cheapest ticket at $750. That was really expensive for me — it’s a lot of money, and I would notice the amount being deducted from my bank account, but I really wanted to see this game.

I bought it. I got my email confirmation from StubHub. I was going to see Scotland in the World Cup.

In preparation for the game, I ordered a tartan skirt (with pockets for my phone). I was ready and raring to go.

And then on Monday, I got that dreadful, disappointing email that the ticket wasn’t available.

I was given the option to choose another ticket, but there are none left

In the email, I was instructed to click a link that would take me to a website to pick another comparable ticket; however, when I got to this website, I could only click the refund option.

Unbeknownst to me, StubHub is a marketplace — they don’t own the tickets; they simply allow people to sell them on their website. What I’m guessing happened is that someone pledged to sell that ticket I bought, but then, when Scotland won their first game, removed the ticket from StubHub (incurring a fine) so that they could resell it for more or use it themselves.

I opened a chat with customer service and calmly pleaded my case with the representative. Eventually, I was told to “hold tight” until one hour before the game, and that tickets might be released then. That, of course, isn’t going to work. I have to buy a special train ticket to get to the game, and to buy that train ticket, I need a ticket to the game. It would all take much longer than just one hour to get from my house to the game.

Refusing to back down, I have not yet accepted a refund, hopeful I will be given a ticket, the ticket I already paid for. I was looking forward to this game — a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for me.

Still, I’ll be watching either way. Go Scotland!

Editor’s note: When reached out for comment, StubHub said, “We understand that attending the World Cup represents a significant investment in time and money, and we take our responsibility to every fan who books through our platform seriously.

Many of the issues fans are facing trace back to the event organizer’s technology infrastructure, newly announced transfer restrictions, and a new app that was launched just a month ago ahead of such a major event.

Regardless of the cause, when sellers don’t deliver tickets on time, StubHub investigates and takes swift action in line with our terms & conditions, including permanent bans and financial penalties. Every order on StubHub is backed by our FanProtect Guarantee, which provides alternative tickets or a full refund.”

• EarnOS has launched an app to help brands get engagement from verified humans rather than AI bots.
• The startup pays rewards for users who engage with brands on its app.
• Business Insider got an exclusive look at the pitch deck it used to secure $18.5 million in funding.

EarnOS, a startup that pays people to interact with brands online to ensure they are seen by humans and not AI bots, has raised $18.5 million in funding.

On Wednesday, the New York-based company launched its app, Ero, where customers can verify they are human and earn rewards for engaging with a brand’s content. Users can scroll through the Ero app feed and participate in challenges, such as physical activities tracked through their fitness app, share their data, and click on brand content.

Brands only pay when someone engages with them, and the app helps them to ensure humans, and not AI bots, are seeing their content, Phil George, the startup’s CEO and founder, told Business Insider.

“The entirety of advertising online was envisaged at a time where the assumption was that everyone online was a person,” George said.

That dynamic has changed with the rise of AI. This month, Cloudflare, a network service firm, said that website traffic from bots had overtaken human activity for the first time.

George positions EarnOS as an “anti-bot” company that’s trying to help build a “verified internet.” It is also pitching itself as an alternative digital advertising app to Google or Facebook, which rely on clicks and impressions that can sometimes include bot activity.

“Think of it as a loyalty program for who you are as a person rather than as a particular brand,” George said.

EarnOS takes a cut of the brand’s ad spend on the app, with the remainder — up to 75% of every dollar — going to users who complete tasks with brands on the app, George said. The app distributes rewards in the USD stablecoin cryptocurrency, which users can then spend with merchants in dollars via an EarnOS Visa card.

EarnOS said the app has launched in the UK, US, Canada, and Australia, with a $30 million annualized rewards pool funded by participating brands across industries such as ride-hailing, retail, streaming, and consumer finance.

The company ran a beta test of the service from March 2025 through the end of the year. EarnOS said it partnered with 152 brands, had 3 million signups, and paid out $50,000 in rewards during this period.

Already, it’s working with brands like Nike.

“EarnOS creates an opportunity to make brand interactions fun, participatory, and transparent, and to get away from AI slop,” said John Shiel, senior content and engagement manager at Nike Innovation Labs.

Investment firm 1kx led its $6 million round, with participation from Coinbase Ventures, Circle Ventures, and Social Graph Ventures.

The remaining $12.5 million financing comes from Verona, which EarnOs will get over four years.

George said the company plans to use the funding to expand into new markets later this year as bot activity soars.

“I think the internet is going to get worse before it gets better,” he said.

Here’s an exclusive look at the 24-page pitch deck EarnOS used during the fundraising process to secure $18.5 million. Some commercially sensitive slides have been omitted.

• After many recommendations, I visited Florida’s 30A and saw places like Seaside and Rosemary Beach.
• I enjoyed the pristine beaches and the different towns, which felt more luxurious than touristy.
• The area feels like one of the best places to visit in Florida, as it’s beautiful and has variety.

On a weekend trip to Panama City Beach, a beach town in Florida’s panhandle, I heard a recurring comment from the locals.

“Have you made it over to 30A yet?” my Lyft driver asked. “You’ve got to — it’s the up-and-coming spot around here.”

While I was purchasing tickets for the Shell Island Ferry, the cashier said, “Do you have plans to go over to 30A?” When I said no, she insisted I return to the area for a trip because it’s just that beautiful.

I live in a different Florida beach town that often gets inundated with spring breakers and summer beachgoers, so I couldn’t decide whether Panama City Beach locals were trying to run tourists out of their town or if they really meant what they said about 30A.

Eager to find out, I planned a trip to Florida’s 30A area — a roughly 24-mile stretch of beach between Destin and Panama City Beach that’s been called “the Hamptons of the South.”

Turns out, those locals were right. I agree that 30A is one of the best gems in Florida, and I liked it even more than Panama City Beach.

Panama City Beach is great for tourists, but 30A has a more luxurious feel.

Panama City Beach reminds me of the beach towns I grew up visiting in the Northeast: lots of souvenir shops, a pier for walking and fishing, and more tourist attractions than one could squeeze in during a vacation.

There’s plenty of good food in PCB, including a crepe shop adored by reviewers on Yelp, but I’d say the area’s general vibe is best described as “touristy beach town.”

The landscape changes entirely when you drive just 15 or 20 minutes to 30A. High-rise hotel chains become private rental cottages, and souvenir shops give way to luxury shopping venues.

The overall vibe seems to switch from a busy vacation spot to a place where you’d do beachfront yoga and sip freshly pressed juice before spending your day on a quiet, white-sand beach.

The beaches along 30A felt pristine.

Communities alongside 30A, like Rosemary Beach and Seaside, have some breathtaking beaches with white sand and clear blue water.

To get onto most of these, you need a wristband or beach tag — visitors can typically get one from whichever rental property they’re occupying.

I think the beaches benefit from the lack of large nearby hotels and public access. With limited visitors, there’s less of a strain on 30A’s beaches, resulting in a beautiful setting that feels more intimate.

It’s also the best spot in the area to watch the sunset.

There are some spectacular sunsets along the Gulf of Mexico, and 30A is a great place to see them.

On my trip, I especially loved watching the sunset from Bud and Alley’s, a Seaside restaurant with sweeping coastal views. Another evening, I watched the setting sun from the beach and was equally blown away by the beauty around me.

It’s easy to hop from town to town and explore 30A.

During my stay in 30A, I chose a rental property between Alys Beach and Rosemary Beach.

Fortunately, the area is very bikeable, with ample spacious sidewalks and bike lanes throughout. Lots of condos or hotels here come with bicycles, plus there are many rental companies in the area.

Often, I’d take a beach cruiser from my condo to Rosemary Beach for coffee or a meal, or I’d bike down 30A and stop to explore each town.

Since I also had a rental car, I drove to some spots farther away, such as Seaside and Santa Rosa Beach. Parking was easy to find, and the area was simple to navigate by car with my phone’s GPS.

I especially loved Seaside, which had the vibe of an upscale beach town.

My favorite spot in 30A was Seaside, a beach community where the movie “The Truman Show” was filmed.

It had beautiful beach houses, a small boardwalk area with shops and restaurants, a collection of food trucks, and an outdoor amphitheater for concerts.

I loved exploring the area. It felt relaxed and not too pretentious, but more upscale than Florida beach towns such as Fort Lauderdale, Cocoa Beach, or Panama City Beach.

It felt family-friendly, too. It’s the spot along 30A where I saw the most groups with children.

Visiting 30A’s Alys Beach felt like stepping into the Mediterranean.

If Seaside is a family-friendly upscale beach town, Alys Beach is on the opposite end of the luxury vacation spectrum.

This small community is filled with white-washed, stone vacation homes and Mediterranean-inspired architecture — it felt like a big resort.

In fact, I haven’t seen anything comparable to Alys Beach in Florida. Because of its stunning homes and high-end feel, Alys Beach feels like one of the areas least accessible to the public in 30A.

I didn’t spend much time here, especially because I saw so many residential streets with signs prohibiting the public from walking through or taking photos.

If you’re interested in vacationing in a more private area of 30A, though, Alys Beach is worth taking a look at.

Visit Rosemary Beach if you want to feel like you’re in a cute European town.

Rosemary Beach has made its rounds on TikTok, going viral for how it seems to resemble a small town in Europe.

Its downtown area is lined with cobblestone streets full of shops and al-fresco eateries, and it has a hotel complete with spires that reminded me of something I’d see in the Swiss Alps.

While there, I passed many street carts selling wares, like scarves and fresh flowers, as well as stunning homes with European-style architecture.

The area also has beautiful private beaches accessible by a key card.

There are also other unique, smaller beach communities to explore along 30A.

Seaside, Alys Beach, and Rosemary Beach are perhaps the most famous spots along 30A, but I was also impressed with the lesser-known areas I visited, such as Santa Rosa Beach.

You could make an entire day out of exploring the tiny towns and communities that make up this picturesque part of Florida.

The area has a lot of natural beauty, from its state parks to coastal dune lakes.

In addition to beaches, shopping, and dining, 30A has lots of beautiful, natural landscapes to show off.

I stopped by Eden Gardens during my visit — a 163-acre state park home to sweeping gardens, a bayou, plenty of walking trails, and centuries-old oak trees.

The area also has a collection of coastal dune lakes, a rare saltwater and freshwater phenomenon that exists in only a few places in the world.

I can’t wait to return to 30A, which is truly one of the most gorgeous destinations in Florida.

As someone who’s spent time on both the gulf and ocean side of the Sunshine State, I can say 30A is one of the most stunningly beautiful areas in all of Florida.

This means a lot coming from someone who’s lived in Florida for over a decade. Truly, few places have impressed me as much as this one.

There’s so much to see and do in the area, and it has a peaceful vibe I’ve rarely found in Florida beach towns.

I can’t wait to go back to 30A, and I think it’s the perfect destination for everything from bachelorette parties to family vacations.

This story was originally published on May 5, 2025, and most recently updated on June 17, 2026.

• Curtis Institute of Music admits only about 5% of applicants and has a total of 160 students.
• It’s ranked among the hardest schools to get into in the US.
• Every student accepted into the school receives a full-tuition scholarship.

When thinking about the hardest schools to get into in the US, your mind might immediately go to the historic brick walls of Ivy League institutions or to schools at the cutting edge of technology, like MIT and Caltech.

But there is a tiny music conservatory in Philadelphia that is just as selective as these schools.

At the Curtis Institute of Music, which has been operating for over 100 years, fewer than 30 students are admitted each year — and none of them pay tuition.

Only 5% of applicants are accepted

Each year, the Curtis Institute receives over 500 applications, but only 5% are admitted, according to the most recent data from the National Center for Education Statistics’ College Navigator tool.

When Business Insider looked at the hardest schools to get into, based on their admissions rate for the 2024-2025 school year, Curtis ranked 14th in the nation, placing it ahead of Duke, Johns Hopkins, and Cornell.

The school admits the same percentage of applicants as the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, although it has a much smaller applicant pool and fewer seats available.

The school ensures that, at any given point, it has just around 160 students, enough to fill a full symphony orchestra and opera, along with select musicians in piano, guitar, composition, conducting, and organ, per the school’s website.

Over 40% of students at the school come from abroad, and musicians come from over 20 countries around the world. The school relies on a rigorous audition process.

“The most important factor is artistic promise,” the school writes on its website. “Though showing technical proficiency in the audition is a requirement, the strongest candidates for admission demonstrate the potential to develop into exceptional artists.”

Famously, Nina Simone was rejected from the program after auditioning at the age of 18. Two days before her death in 2003, Simone received an honorary degree from the institution.

Of all students admitted to the school, over 90% enroll, including 100% of male applicants, according to the National Center for Education Statistics.

Admissions do not have a minimum age requirement (or age limit), and the school, which doesn’t offer preparatory programs, has a section on its website outlining specific academic and enrollment requirements for students under 17.

In April, the school accepted 7-year-old pianist Olivia Li, who will join the school on the same full-tuition scholarship that all students receive.

The school covers all tuition costs

All students admitted into the school receive a full-tuition scholarship, regardless of their financial situation. Additionally, need-based financial aid is available to cover living expenses.

The school has 120 artists and teachers on its faculty, giving students nearly full 1-on-1 support in their instruction.

While the school doesn’t report its students’ post-graduation outcomes, Niche reports that graduates have a 75% employment rate five years after graduation.

Curtis alums often go on to populate the world’s most prestigious orchestras and concert stages, from the Metropolitan Opera to the Berlin Philharmonic.

• Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei made it clear that trust was at the core of his decision to famously leave OpenAI and Sam Altman.
• “Why argue with someone when you don’t have the same vision and you don’t trust them?” he said in an apparent jab at Altman.
• Amodei said he does find others in AI “trustworthy,” citing his relationship with Google DeepMind CEO Demis Hassabis.

Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei said he’s at “peace” with where the Anthropic-OpenAI rivalry stands even as a cold war brews between two of the world’s largest AI companies.

But he did throw some shade Sam Altman‘s way.

“At the end of the day, why argue with someone when you don’t have the same vision and you don’t trust them?” Amodei said in an apparent jab at the OpenAI CEO during a lengthy Bloomberg interview for “The Circuit with Emily Chang” published on Wednesday.

“The way to resolve it is you go off and do your thing, they go off and do their thing,” he said. “And I am completely at peace with the idea that we’re doing things our way and they’re doing things their way.”

Ultimately, someone else will decide who was right, Amodei said.

“We’ll see who wins in the market and we’ll see who wins in the court of public opinion,” he said. “I think those things speak louder than any drama about why who left what.”

As Chang told Amodei, the story behind why he, his sister Daniela, and nine OpenAI employees left in 2020 to start Anthropic has become Silicon Valley “lore.” Once the underdog, Anthropic is now widely viewed as having overtaken OpenAI in the generative AI race.

Amodei’s exit has received renewed attention in the wake of Ronan Farrow’s exposé in The New Yorker that examined whether Altman could be trusted. Amodei’s contemporaneous notes, which he took about his interactions with Altman during his time at OpenAI, are cited throughout the report. Days after the report’s publication, Altman’s home was attacked, an incident he partially blamed on The New Yorker report (without naming the publication directly), and later on how Anthropic talks about OpenAI.

“I think the doomerism talk hasn’t helped. I think the way certain other labs talk about us hasn’t helped,” Altman said during an April episode of the “Core Memory” podcast, adding, “I think the way Anthropic talks about OpenAI doesn’t help.”

Amodei chalked up the most viral moment in his rivalry with Altman, when the pair notably declined to join their fellow industry leaders in a show of unity, to the “extreme disorganization” of the India AI summit. The Anthropic CEO said other summits featuring world leaders are often a mess as well.

“Look, I don’t know what to tell you, OK? There was like Narendra Modi up there suddenly telling everyone to hold hands,” Amodei said of the Indian Prime Minister, who was positioned right next to Altman and Amodei. (Left unsaid is that both Altman and Amodei held hands with the other people next to them.)

While he did not name Altman directly, Amodei appeared to implicitly criticize OpenAI on multiple occasions during his over 1-hour interview with Chang.

Asked about how the world could trust AI companies to cooperate on major AI safety issues, Amodei suggested it was less about everyone getting along and more about who sets the agenda.

“What I think needs to happen is that the trustworthy actors need to get together and put the untrustworthy actors in a position where they kind of have to adopt the same standards,” he said. “With a lot of experience, I’ve learned that there are some folks who don’t do the right thing on their own, but if there’s a majority of the industry that’s doing the right thing, then I think the rest of the industry is kind of — they’re left in a position where there’s not much they can do.”

Amodei made it clear that the narrative that “no one trusts each other” in AI isn’t true, citing his relationship with Google DeepMind CEO Demis Hassabis.

“I’ve known him for 15 years. We’ve worked together on a number of issues,” Amodei said. “We buy compute from Google. We swap safety ideas all the time. So my view of this is that one, there are some players who are more trustworthy than others, and I think there are players outside Anthropic who I trust, who I see as trustworthy.”